tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62718594550181355.post4566204070524016273..comments2024-03-17T07:43:18.311-04:00Comments on 80 Page Giant: Archie vs. Transformers: A talk about storytelling.awa64http://www.blogger.com/profile/02418713241704510016noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62718594550181355.post-80604228656496496022011-12-13T13:44:15.460-05:002011-12-13T13:44:15.460-05:00A side note, but I think this is yet another Frank...A side note, but I think this is yet another Frank Doyle script. (The "Best of Archie" collection assigns credits where possible, but somewhat haphazardly.) Schwartz was however free to add his own stuff to the scripts, and stuff like the dinosaur may well be his own contribution.Jaime J. Weinmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15128500411119962998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62718594550181355.post-91942162777166536862011-11-30T23:01:33.474-05:002011-11-30T23:01:33.474-05:00I think the basic principles of art are the same, ...I think the basic principles of art are the same, no matter what kind of story you're trying to tell. Yes, things like pacing are different depending on differences in story. But that's not really what I was talking about here. I was talking about the basic artistic principles involved.<br /><br />I also disagree with DVD about putting in background action to spice up the pages. That sort of thing is only interesting if the foreground action is interesting too.<br /><br />Look at the Jughead story -- look at how all the actions that aren't important to the STORY are still actions being taken by the MAIN CHARACTER. Giving the characters in the FOREGROUND, the Bumblebees and Jazzes, something interesting to do is the important part.<br /><br />Cahill even seems to realise this and his characters are doing some acting in there -- look at Bumblebee writing on his iPad. But combined with the bad text, drab colours, inactive scripting of events and the reuse of panels and layouts (Which I didn't mention in my article) the whole thing comes off as boring.<br /><br />I think Cahill has potential, but there's definitely some work to be done on the basics here.<br />--Andrew S.Andrew Sorohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01377620456453176431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62718594550181355.post-71823837609204414722011-11-30T12:36:38.991-05:002011-11-30T12:36:38.991-05:00Other humans, then. They're even easy to fit ...Other humans, then. They're even easy to fit into the backgrounds, being small and squishy. ;)Dvandomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150990184070800442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62718594550181355.post-61255475395247041892011-11-30T10:25:29.083-05:002011-11-30T10:25:29.083-05:00Most of the other transformers DID leave the plane...Most of the other transformers DID leave the planet in this story, but that does not give Cahill a pass either.Graz73https://www.blogger.com/profile/09323272199530948689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62718594550181355.post-70320554785699266322011-11-30T08:01:13.782-05:002011-11-30T08:01:13.782-05:00Cahill could easily have made the backgrounds pop ...Cahill could easily have made the backgrounds pop more by adding background characters doing other things...even telling a little side story in the process. Just because the main story involves a limited number of characters doesn't mean everyone else left Omega Supreme to get tacos.Dvandomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150990184070800442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62718594550181355.post-58339744831216890332011-11-29T09:43:07.363-05:002011-11-29T09:43:07.363-05:00I think its unfair because of the length of the st...I think its unfair because of the length of the stories. Transformers 25 was the end of a long police procedural type story. Police procedurals usually have people tensely analysing data or looking for small facial cues of suspects.<br /><br />They were going for a level of gritty "realism". <br /><br />The Archie story was about cavemen and meant to be very silly and short. <br /><br />NOW... overall, you are right. There could have been a lot more visual interest in the transformers story. And in that regard, I've got no qualms about what you said.Graz73https://www.blogger.com/profile/09323272199530948689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62718594550181355.post-32671181864854224282011-11-28T17:13:23.435-05:002011-11-28T17:13:23.435-05:00Why wouldn't it be fair to compare these two c...Why wouldn't it be fair to compare these two comics? Because we should hold IDW to different standards to Archie comics? Because it's robots, not people?<br /><br />They're both comics, I think the comparison is perfectly fair! :)<br /><br />The only way it's UNFAIR is that we're comparing a veteran artist to a relative newcomer.<br />--Andrew S.Andrew Sorohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01377620456453176431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-62718594550181355.post-25254552918266704282011-11-28T10:40:49.459-05:002011-11-28T10:40:49.459-05:00While I dont think its entirely fair to compare th...While I dont think its entirely fair to compare these two comics, I think most of your criticisms are spot on. With Transformers, and many other recent comics, highly detailed rendering seems to be their big focus, rather than clean story telling.Graz73https://www.blogger.com/profile/09323272199530948689noreply@blogger.com